Black Republican: Don't Equate Black Rights And Gay Rights

We will equate all civil rights struggles with each other for they are all the same in the fact that it's about all minorities struggling for equal rights.

So blacks are the only ones entitled to civil rights or have had civil rights denied them? What about Jews, women, Mexicans, Christians, and gays? They've never had any civil rights struggles? What's up with that man?!

Michael Steele. Was he the slightly effeminate down low one, or am I thinking of some other uncle tom, political hack?

He's a homophobe and a bigot.

equalityboy81 wrote:

He's a homophobe and a bigot.

Your remark does not speak to the "rumors" about him.

The Gay Rights struggle is a continuation of the same civil rights struggle thats been raging for decades
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Michael Steele is making it worse by joining the white supremacist side of the battle
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*shame* on his sorry homophobic a$s

You keep trying to make apples oranges. Apparently the oranges don't buy your bullsh!t either. So naturally, you turn around and make the orange wrong because they don't buy into your bullsh!t argument.

What a shame so many don't take you or your tantrums seriously. Ah, but don't ever let it be said that you'll be responsible for he consequences of those tantrums. Nononononooooo! Just stamp your little feet and pout. That'll show 'em! And, oh yeah. Call everybody who has the audacity to disagree with you a homophobe.

How's that working our for you?

That's your cue to say something stupid, Oxy. Come on now. Don't disappoint you many, many fans. Say something stupid.

I am begining to wonder why I marched and demonstrated for Civil Rights in the 60's. Did I waste my time as a white gay man, supporting the rights of African Americans, only to be discriminated against by them?

BS Detector wrote:

You keep trying to make apples oranges. Apparently the oranges don't buy your bullsh!t either. So naturally, you turn around and make the orange wrong because they don't buy into your bullsh!t argument.
What a shame so many don't take you or your tantrums seriously. Ah, but don't ever let it be said that you'll be responsible for he consequences of those tantrums. Nononononooooo! Just stamp your little feet and pout. That'll show 'em! And, oh yeah. Call everybody who has the audacity to disagree with you a homophobe.
How's that working our for you?

Can you explain this??? Are you saying some people deserve civil rights and others don't, so don't compare??? I'm confused. I usually agree with you, so I want to make sure I'm not jumping to conclusions.

RalphB wrote:

I am begining to wonder why I marched and demonstrated for Civil Rights in the 60's. Did I waste my time as a white gay man, supporting the rights of African Americans, only to be discriminated against by them?

Michael Steele was born in 1958; so he was too young to remember the civil rights brouhaha what was swirling around him during his childhood in the 1960s
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To him; it is just a bad movie
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Civil rights equality was handed to him on a silver platter
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Bernice King is the same way
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As far as wasting your time; I don't think so. You learned how to use peaceful resistance; demonstrate presence and visibility; peaceful challenge (lunch counter sit-ins); positive outlook and hope for a better future (sing "We shall overcome; someday"), and nonstop persistence until the goal was achieved
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It worked for them; and its working for us too ;o))

Civil rights are civil rights but Steele is inserting a value system to civil rights. In his mind the civil rights of African-American's have a greater value which has some sort of priority over all other rights and minorities. He's attempting separation of citizen class.

Rainbow Kid wrote:

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Michael Steele was born in 1958; so he was too young to remember the civil rights brouhaha what was swirling around him during his childhood in the 1960s
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To him; it is just a bad movie
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Civil rights equality was handed to him on a silver platter
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Bernice King is the same way
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As far as wasting your time; I don't think so. You learned how to use peaceful resistance; demonstrate presence and visibility; peaceful challenge (lunch counter sit-ins); positive outlook and hope for a better future (sing "We shall overcome; someday"), and nonstop persistence until the goal was achieved
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It worked for them; and its working for us too ;o))

I knew all that, of course. But it sometimes helps to know that what you did had meaning, and that the folks for whom it does have meaning appreciate what was done. Michael Steele may not have realized it at the time, but he should have been thoroughly taught this by the elders of the Civil Rights movement. Either they haven't done their job well enough, or he is just an ungrateful recipient of all that was done. I'll keep at it, but a little appreciation wouldn't hurt.

What really bothers me is that African-Americans who are Republican and/or Religious Leaders believe somehow that they have the corner stone or copyright on the word "Civil Rights" and they DON'T!!!

There are some Gays and Lesbians who do happen to look Gay or Lesbian based solely on the past stereotype, even if their NOT Gay or Lesbian.......and frankly Civil Rights isn't about how one looks......it's about the discrimination that group has had to overcome.....and whether you like it or not......GAYS AND LESBIANS FACE DISCRIMINATION for all sorts of reasons and have been killed just because of who they are.

Equality isn't just about Gender or Race......it's also about WHO one is!!!

Gay Mom wrote:

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Can you explain this??? Are you saying some people deserve civil rights and others don't, so don't compare??? I'm confused. I usually agree with you, so I want to make sure I'm not jumping to conclusions.

I'm saying that many, including myself, don't consider same sex marriage on a par with civil rights or the struggle that blacks endure. As you may or may not know, I don't support same sex marriage myself (preferring domestic partnership or civil unions) and don't equate it with civil rights. My guess is that you'll disagree and I'm fine with a healthy disagreement, especially from you since I hope you know the respect I have for you. I don't ask anybody to agree with me, nor will there be any great gnashing of teeth from me if, or more likely when as George Clooney said, it will inevitably pass. When and if it passes, I still won't agree with it, and it will be the law of the land and so be it. I reserve the right to disagree with some laws even while living with them.

Did that clarify or confuse the issue?

RalphB wrote:

I am begining to wonder why I marched and demonstrated for Civil Rights in the 60's. Did I waste my time as a white gay man, supporting the rights of African Americans, only to be discriminated against by them?

No.

Julian Bond said in 2005:“Many gays, many lesbians, worked side by side with me in the civil rights movement. Am I supposed to tell them now thanks for risking their lives and their limbs to help me win my rights but that they are excluded because of the circumstances of their birth? Not a chance.”

He also said; " I think Martin King would stand as his widow stood -- in favor of them."

Julian Bond again: "I see this as a civil rights issue. That means I support gay civil marriage."

BS Detector wrote:

<quoted text> I'm saying that many, including myself, don't consider same sex marriage on a par with civil rights or the struggle that blacks endure. As you may or may not know, I don't support same sex marriage myself (preferring domestic partnership or civil unions) and don't equate it with civil rights. My guess is that you'll disagree and I'm fine with a healthy disagreement, especially from you since I hope you know the respect I have for you. I don't ask anybody to agree with me, nor will there be any great gnashing of teeth from me if, or more likely when as George Clooney said, it will inevitably pass. When and if it passes, I still won't agree with it, and it will be the law of the land and so be it. I reserve the right to disagree with some laws even while living with them.
Did that clarify or confuse the issue?

One problem with comparing injustices is that it tends to make whichever one appears less cruel to be therefore acceptable, when both are harmful and therefore not acceptable.

"And yet while their story of oppression and injustice is not the same as ours, it is equally valid. African-Americans recognize injustice when we see it. Gays and lesbians have been incarcerated, brutalized, lobotomized, raped, castrated, and robbed of their jobs, families and children." http://www.edgeboston.com/news/politics/news/...

Rev. Dr. James Lawson is a distinguished United Methodist pastor who worked side-by-side with Dr. King training the activists who participated in the lunch counter sit-ins and the Freedom Rides of the 1960s. In 2004, he received the Community of Christ International Peace Award. Rev. Lawson said of the plight of many gay people: "Gays and lesbians have a more difficult time than we did. We had our families and our churches on our side. All too often, they have neither."

Not Yet Equal wrote:

In 2004, he received the Community of Christ International Peace Award. Rev. Lawson said of the plight of many gay people: "Gays and lesbians have a more difficult time than we did. We had our families and our churches on our side. All too often, they have neither."

In a way I feel like that was an advantage in my case
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Being an early outcast gives a person a head start on independence and leadership skills to a level rarely achieved by a coddled person

BS Detector wrote:

You keep trying to make apples oranges. Apparently the oranges don't buy your bullsh!t either. So naturally, you turn around and make the orange wrong because they don't buy into your bullsh!t argument.
What a shame so many don't take you or your tantrums seriously. Ah, but don't ever let it be said that you'll be responsible for he consequences of those tantrums. Nononononooooo! Just stamp your little feet and pout. That'll show 'em! And, oh yeah. Call everybody who has the audacity to disagree with you a homophobe.
How's that working our for you?

Human rights are for humans so why are you against rights for gays?

Rainbow Kid wrote:

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In a way I feel like that was an advantage in my case
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Being an early outcast gives a person a head start on independence and leadership skills to a level rarely achieved by a coddled person

I am thankful it worked out well for you. For whatever reason, you had the ability to turn hardship into a strength.(Making lemonade when given lemons, etc...)

Unfortunately, far too many young children don't have that internal strength, and end up self destructing in a variety of ways both fast and slow. I've seen it first hand, and almost succumbed myself, years ago. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, yet agree for those of us who survive, it can be used for positive growth. But not all survive, and not all can turn it into a growth experience. Glad you made it.